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March 12

Portal:Current events/2025 March 12
March 12, 2025 (2025-03-12) (Wednesday)

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March 11

Portal:Current events/2025 March 11

March 11, 2025 (2025-03-11) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali civil war 2025 Shabelle offensive Cairo hotel attack At least ten people are killed after five Al-Shabaab militants detonate a car bomb and attack a hotel in Beledweyne, Hiran, Somalia. (BBC News) (First Post) Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites, March 2025 Western Syria clashes The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reports the killings of 132 Alawite civilians, totaling 1,225 civilian deaths as a result of forty-seven separate massacres in western Syria since 6 March. (BBC) (SOHR) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine launches a massive drone attack on Moscow, the largest inside Russia since the start of the war. At least three people are killed and 18 others are injured. Multiple fires are reported throughout the city and flights from Sheremetyevo International Airport are suspended. (BBC News) (Reuters) Russia claims its air defences have shot down at least 337 Ukrainian drones overnight across 10 oblasts. (The Journal) Kursk offensive Russia announces that the Russian military in the previous several days retook multiple villages in Kursk Oblast up to the outskirts of Sudzha, the main town occupied by the Ukrainian military, as Ukrainian forces withdraw to avoid encirclement. (Reuters) (Al Arabiya) Odesa strikes A Russian missile strike on a cargo ship carrying a shipment of grain to Algeria at the Port of Odesa, kills four crew members and severely damages the vessel. (Trade Winds News) United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine The United States government lifts its suspension on sharing intelligence and military aid to Ukraine. (AP) Insurgency in Balochistan 2025 Jaffar Express hijacking The Jaffar Express passenger train traveling from Quetta to Peshawar in Pakistan is hijacked by the Balochistan Liberation Army, with 46 people being killed, 110 people being taken hostage and 104 others being rescued. The BLA claims it killed more than 30 Pakistan Army personnel, while Pakistani human rights activist Mama Qadeer claims more than 200 personnel have been killed. (News18) (ARY News) War against the Islamic State Islamic State insurgency in Puntland Puntland counter-terrorism operations Around 2,500 rural families who depend on frankincense harvesting have been displaced by ongoing War between Puntland forces and Islamic State militants in Cal Miskaad mountain ranges of Bari Region, Puntland. (Hiiraan Online) Business and economy 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico U.S. President Donald Trump announces that he will raise tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium imports from 25% to 50%. (BBC News) Stock market indices in Asia fall after a similar selloff in the United States is triggered by U.S. President Donald Trump not ruling out that his tariffs could potentially lead to a recession. The Nikkei 225 falls 1.7%, the KOSPI falls 1.3%, and the Hang Seng Index falls 1%. (BBC News) Ontario Premier Doug Ford suspends planned surcharges on electricity in the US. Trump backs off afterwards, though his original plan to impose 25% tariffs will go as planned. (AP) Trump trade counselor Peter Navarro says that 50% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum won't take effect on Wednesday. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A bus overturns on a highway in Johannesburg, South Africa, killing at least 16 people and injuring 35 others, including 11 critically. (Euronews) (AP) At least three people are killed and eleven others are injured when a tram collides with a tank truck at a level crossing in Zeutern, Ubstadt-Weiher, Germany. (CTV News) International relations Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Coalition of the willing (Russo-Ukrainian War) The military chiefs of all European NATO countries meet in Paris, France, to discuss a potential European peacekeeping force in Ukraine, alongside Ukrainian representatives. The U.S. was not involved in the meeting. (RFE/RL) Ukraine–United States relations The U.S. and Ukraine announce their intention to seek a 30-day ceasefire with Russia after talks in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, involving U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, and Ukrainian presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak. (CBS) Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict Angola announces it will mediate peace talks between the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Rwanda-backed rebel group March 23 Movement (M23), following a visit by Congolese president Félix Tshisekedi to discuss a potential peace process with Angolan president João Lourenço. (The Independent) (The Star) Law and crime International Criminal Court investigation in the Philippines, Philippine drug war Arrest of Rodrigo Duterte Former Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte is arrested by the Philippine National Police through the Interpol at Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila after being served an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court upon arriving from Hong Kong. Duterte was later transferred and later extradited to The Hague, Netherlands on a chartered flight by the Philippine government. (The New York Times) 2025 Romanian presidential election The Romanian High Court of Cassation and Justice upholds the decision to ban far-right presidential candidate Călin Georgescu from running in the 2025 presidential election after he appeal the decision last week. He is under investigation for campaign finance violations and allegations of being supported by Russia. (DW) Politics and election 2024–present Serbian anti-corruption protests As protests against the Serbian government continue across Serbia, hundreds of students form a blockade around the headquarters of the Radio Television of Serbia in Belgrade, accusing the state television station of being biased towards President Aleksandar Vučić. At least one police officer is injured in clashes with students. (DW) 2025 Greenlandic general election Greenlanders and other citizens of Greenland vote to elect the 31 members of the Inatsisartut between 213 candidates from six parties. (DW) United States District Judge for the District Court of the District of Columbia Amir Ali orders the Trump administration to pay nearly $2 billion (€1.84 billion) in unpaid funds for promised USAID programs that the administration ended. (DW)

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RD: Junior Bridgeman

Article: Junior Bridgeman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Courier Journal
Credits:

• Nominated by Engineerchange (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rogerd (talk · give credit) and Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NBA player and notable businessman Engineerchange (talk) 00:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Jaffar Express hijacking

Article: 2025 Jaffar Express hijacking (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, the Balochistan Liberation Army hijacks a train traveling from Quetta to Peshawar, with at least 135 people taken hostage and around 365 others rescued. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Pakistan, the Balochistan Liberation Army hijacks a train traveling from Quetta to Peshawar, with at least 34 people killed and 135 taken hostage.
News source(s): CNN, Al Jazeera, Hindustan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Created by GrabUp (talk · give credit)
• Updated by jolielover (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article is currently a stub, but a hijacking/mass hostage incident of this scale seems more than notable enough for the FP. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:15, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support as there is an active hostage situation and the incident was a major terrorist attack. I oppose the article's quality though, as it is a stub. Once it has more information I think it should be posted. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 17:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Temporary Oppose on quality. Support on notabillity. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, weak support on notability. E_F⁵ 17:52, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Support; the article needs to be improved. Very Significant and important situation. RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 17:54, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait for more details and expansion, but Support on significance Masem (t) 17:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)\
• Wait on article quality per Bloxzge, but support on notability once article updated. Flip^andFlopped ツ 18:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait on article quality per above, and Strong Support on notability once it is improved as there are hundreds hostage and at least dozens if not also hundreds dead. --SpectralIon 18:26, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait/Support. Obviously will be posted and it's almost there, but we probably need more clarity around the counter-operation first. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until the article is expanded and updated but after that is fixed I strong support the altblurb (although the other one would be fine as well. This is a really major event with most likely over 50 people killed and at least a hundred taken hostage. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 21:55, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait/Strong support ArionStar (talk) 02:09, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support 30-200 deaths is obviously significant. I'm concerned both that the article seems pretty light content-wise, and that details on the event seem unclear even in the mainstream media. –DMartin 03:41, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Arrest of Rodrigo Duterte

Article: Arrest of Rodrigo Duterte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former president of the Philippines Rodrigo Duterte (pictured) is arrested by the International Criminal Court on charges of crimes against humanity. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former president of the Philippines Rodrigo Duterte (pictured) is arrested on an International Criminal Court warrant charging him with crimes against humanity during the Philippine drug war.
News source(s): The New York Times, Al Jazeera, CNN, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:45, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait for actual conviction by ICC (which seems most likely to happen). Since he was not a sitting leader at the time, this is not really the best point to post this, based on several more recent stories around world leaders and crimes they may have committed. Masem (t) 04:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  Could we add pending trial? Kowal2701 (talk) 06:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support Respectfully disagree with Masem. Being arrested and detained on an ICC warrant is already quite rare, but on top of that it's an arrest of a former world leader, who was until 2022 the head of state for a country of over 100,000,000+ people? That is a once in a lifetime event. Both the arrest and the future hypothetical conviction (if it happens) probably clear the barrier for notability, independently of one another. Flip^andFlopped ツ 04:07, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  The problem with focusing on the arrest of a former leader (not sitting leader) is that it somewhat of a POV throw of guilty-before-proven innocent BLP violation, given that the usual metric for the inclusion of any criminal trial is the conviction or sentencing. If it were a world leader, like in the case of South Korea's president, that's more a factor related to the change of power in that country. Also, given this list of ICC indictments, "once in a lifetime event" is an extreme stretch. Masem (t) 04:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  Laurent Gbagbo is the only other former head of state who was arrested by the ICC, in 2011. While the argument that being "arrested and detained on an ICC warrant is already quite rare" (there were 22 instances), and this being a "once in a lifetime event" (the last being 14 years ago), a former head of state being arrested is indeed very rare, this being second in history. I don't think we'll see an arrest of a sitting head of state no matter how atrocious the charges are. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - slanting oppose per Masem, wait for conviction.

Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:20, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - Masem provides a good point. If a sitting world leader was arrested, it merits inclusion in the bulletin, but considering Duterte is a former chief executive that has so far only been accused of committing crimes (even if he already admitted responsibility elsewhere), it would set the wrong precedent in Wikipedia's news coverage. On the other hand, Duterte is the first Philippine chief executive (sitting or otherwise) to be arrested based on a warrant issued by an international court. LionFosset (talk) 06:28, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Weak support given he was in office fairly recently, combined with the infamy of his "war on drugs," but I won't fight to have it posted. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The primary article for this event should be Arrest of Rodrigo Duterte. In any case, WP:PERP applies, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until the contrary is decided by a court of law." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:21, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  No one said he was guilty. What's in the news is the fact that he was arrested in the first place. RachelTensions (talk) 16:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  WP:PERP doesn't preclude the high-profile arrest of an already notable figure from being included on the Wikipedia, as evidenced by an article like "Arrest of Rodrigo Duterte" existing at all. If the fact and circumstances of an arrest are so unique or newsworthy as to be independently notable (e.g. a rare ICC warrant arrest of a prominent head of state), then nothing in WP:PERP precludes a blurb, so long as the wording of the blurb does not incorrectly connote guilt. This was the precedent we set with Netanyahu, for example. Everything currently in the blurb is factual, no? Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  No, the primary blurb is not factual as Duterte was arrested by the Philippines police not by the ICC as the latter doesn't have a police force. This is a bit weird because the Philippines no longer accepts the jurisdiction of the ICC. It appears that the arrest is political in nature and some kind of power play by the Marcos faction. The alt blurb only presents one side of the story and so is prejudicial. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  How is the alt blurb prejudicial? It is plainly factional and neutral without having prejudice about whatever underlying politics are going on. The ICC warrant is a real warrant (no comment whether the ICC is a legitimate institution or not). Natg 19 (talk) 00:36, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment I think it would be more fitting if this gets posted to ITN once he is already convicted, though I personally would not mind that this gets posted now. After all, while it is not the first time that a former state leader was arrested by the ICC for crimes against humanity (or any other similar cases), this is the first instance that a former Filipino president was arrested by the aforementioned court. Vida0007 (talk) 10:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Post-posting support per the points stated below by Patar knight, not to mention that there has been a precedent for this (Gbagbo in 2011). The arrest itself is a rare instance, and the case against Duterte is considered to be special and complex, so much so that it is different from the usual court cases which usually fall under WP:BLPCRIME. Vida0007 (talk) 03:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:PERP. Although the arrest is indisputably in the news, it is better to wait for a conviction before posting. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:07, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support With ICC arrests and warrants for them, the notability is such that we have to move beyond the absolutism of BLP crime. They are clearly high profile, uncommon and definitely in line with the recent precedents we seem to have set up with the Putin, Netanyahu etc. postings. Further, this comes with the recent expansion of ICC's actions beyond smaller states. That Duterte might be convicted is inherently WP:CRYSTALBALL and does not affect this notable news now. Gotitbro (talk) 16:28, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support I don't think we should wait for a conviction, which will be years away. We previously ran Netanyahu receiving an arrest warrant. Secretlondon (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Even if he is acquitted years from now this is big news. An ICC arrest warrant actually being carried out is nearly unprecedented. Bremps... 16:35, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Support this is a notable event and is in the news around the world. The fact that he hasn't been convicted is secondary - the news of his arrest is what's newsworthy at this very moment, and running this blurb does not imply he is guilty. RachelTensions (talk) 16:37, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support and speedy post ArionStar (talk) 16:57, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, as I am sure has been pointed out, ITN only posts convictions. In this case, there is a good chance that somehow strings will be pulled and he will be set free in a few hours or days. Also, the support notvotes seem to be engaging in a little bit of WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Abductive (reasoning) 17:03, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  He is currently on a plane to The Hague [1][2], so barring an armed rescue or his death, both which would only increase the appropriateness of a blurb, it looks like a done deal. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:45, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  It appears that this event is the result of a power struggle within the Philippines, and this method was chosen to shaft him. So, not as interesting. I am still opposed. Abductive (reasoning) 23:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Strong support per all above. We don't post indictments but this is a proper arrest, and one of the most prolific events done by the ICC recently. We did post warrants being issued for Netanyahu and other figures due to the Israel-Hamas war so I don't see why seeing an arrest would be less notable. Departure– (talk) 17:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support I don't see any RGW banditry here (what am I missing though?!), most supports seem to be based on the notability of an CC arrest warrant being carried out per se. As is mine. WP:PERP's primary concern is "not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured". We are not creating an article, we are mentioning a notable historic, globally-recognised fact. Cheers, Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 17:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support – per above Bakhos Let's talk! 17:15, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above. This will certainly cause political and domestic drama with Duterte's popularity and the Marcos-Duterte feud. --SpectralIon 18:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support majorly notable. We posted the warrant for Putin so this is certainly higher level than that This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support An arrest (not just a warrant) by an international tribunal is major news. Natg 19 (talk) 19:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose He is not in office and there is no justification for posting an arrest. Will happily support if/when he is convicted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support. ICC arrests of former heads of state are extremely rare, with the only previous example since the court's creation in 2002 being former Ivorian president Laurent Gbagbo in 2011, which we posted (and sitting heads of state have never been arrested). This is massive news both in the Philippines and around the world. The privacy interest that underpins WP:BLPCRIME (a subsection of WP:BLP#Presumption in favor of privacy) is almost entirely mitigated by the fact that this a former head of state who was in power until very recently (2022), the charges are not something minor, and the charges are not obviously frivolous (we have an extensive parent article at Philippine drug war). What BLPCRIME does bind us to do is to avoid imputing guilt before a conviction, which is done by making sure that it is made clear that these are just charges. I've proposed an altblurb that clarifies that the ICC did not arrest him, but it was pursuant to an ICC warrant, as well as the context of the charges, which we included in previous ICC head of state blurbs. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:30, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support, the arrest itself, regardless of any future outcome, is highly unusual. It was some kind of secret operation, in a country that is no longer even an ICC member! In fact, I would argue that it is much more surprising (and thus notable) than any possible future trial or conviction. Toadspike [Talk] 20:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Well-written content about a major political development that's in the news. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 20:44, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Well-written and sourced. International news with high notability. Jusdafax (talk) 00:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:33, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support per Patar knight, it seems the previous similar case of ITN have posted here before. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:46, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

March 10

Portal:Current events/2025 March 10

March 10, 2025 (2025-03-10) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites, March 2025 Western Syria clashes The number of reported civilians killed by extrajudicial massacres in western Syria rises to 1,068, the majority of whom are Alawites in addition to several Christians. (France 24) Business and economy 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico Ontario Premier Doug Ford announces that the province will charge 25% more for electricity supplied to the United States, which includes the states of Michigan, Minnesota, and New York. (AP) British Columbia Premier David Eby announces that the province will ban all U.S.-imported alcohol within government-operated liquor stores. (CBC News) Economy of the United States U.S. stocks experience a relatively steep drop as the Nasdaq Composite falls 4% and the S&P 500 falls 2.7%. Economists attribute the drop to recent all-time highs, recession fears, and concerns about a potential U.S. government shutdown and the tariffs imposed by the Trump administration. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2025 North Sea ship collision An oil tanker is reportedly on fire in the North Sea off the coast of Kingston upon Hull, England, after colliding with a cargo ship. Thirty-seven crew members are rescued by search and rescue boats, with 32 injured and one hospitalized when brought to shore. (BBC News) (DW) Three people, including two hospital workers, are killed when a medical transport helicopter crashes in a forested area near Tupelo, Mississippi, United States. (Irish Star) 32 people are killed and at least 12 others are injured in two bus crashes in Mexico. (The Daily Observer) Fifteen people are injured, including one seriously, when a school bus overturns on the Garden State Parkway in Montvale, New Jersey, United States. (CTV News) International relations 2025 Organization of American States Secretary General election The Organization of American States elects Albert Ramdin of Suriname to serve as its secretary general for the 2025–2030 period. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Spanish floods A court charges the dismissed Valencian regional minister Salomé Pradas and the former regional secretary of Emergencies for the management of emergency warnings during the floods that caused 228 deaths in October 2024 in the Valencian Community. (El País) Politics and elections Syrian peace process The Syrian transitional government and the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) sign a ceasefire and a deal to integrate the SDF into state institutions and bring the Rojava region under government control. (Al Jazeera) (France24) Science and technology Twitter under Elon Musk X suffers from multiple global system outages, as owner Elon Musk claims that the site is being targeted in a "massive cyberattack". (AP)

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RD: Marc Neil-Jones

Article: Marc Neil-Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Vanuatuan journalist TNM101 (chat) 14:33, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Complete enough. Cited. Bremps... 16:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 19:15, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Wheesung

Article: Wheesung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a lot of work. Natg 19 (talk) 06:22, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Too many holes in the article where citations should be. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, sourcing issues in most of the sections. Suonii180 (talk) 19:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Stanley R. Jaffe

Article: Stanley R. Jaffe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs work in awards and filmography section. Good to go now. Natg 19 (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 19:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Mahmoud Khalil arrest

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Mahmoud Khalil (activist) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests are held in New York (pictured) over the arrest of student activist Mahmoud Khalil. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, Times of Israel, CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Chetsford (talk · give credit)
• Created by Francisdpas89 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SWinxy (talk · give credit)

Chetsford (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

We seem to have two articles on this at the moment. Secretlondon (talk) 02:10, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

There's a rapidly evolving consensus to merge the two. Chetsford (talk) 02:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, for the record, I disagree with where that discussion is heading and have added my opinion to that merge discussion (in support of your preferred choice). As of right now, I don't think Khalil even passes WP:GNG on his own. The target article should be the detention article, if we are going to post this at all (which per below I also disagree with). Flip^andFlopped ツ 03:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The arrest of a University student who attends an Ivy league university, spurring local protests in an American city, is not news of a sufficiently global character so as to merit inclusion on ITN, which generally features globally reported news with a significant impact. We would not even be debating posting this if the Indian, South African, Chinese, French, Russian, Brazilian, literally any other government started proceedings against a University student protestor, causing local backlash. If or when this causes a more systemic impact with large-scale protests, along the lines of the Mahsa Amini protests or the George Floyd protests, then I think we could reconsider. Flip^andFlopped ツ 02:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The most probable consequences of this I can see (court cases, deportations ...) are both internal to the US and relatively minor compared to things like the US-Mexico-China-Canada trade war. If something more dramatic happens (such as auxiliary effects in Israel, although I'm hard-pressed to see any realistic possibility), reconsider then. Banedon (talk) 03:32, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom. In the grand scheme of things this is pretty pedestrian news. Although arguably a legal abuse, I could throw darts while blindfolded at a list of recent actions by DJT with a very high probability of hitting one with greater legal and constitutional significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:40, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Both stories are part of the larger picture around the Trump administration and civil rights, including the arrest itself (which is one of a long list of these), and protests (which there have been numerous and not just to any single event). Focusing on any one that doesn't have any immediate international effects (like the tariffs and trade war) is just not going to work for ITN. (obviously, this is based on the fact the protests remain non-violent and lack any type of inappropriate response at this point). Masem (t) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - just one in a series of actions by the government of the US. No particular notability.

Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

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2025 North Sea ship collision

Article: 2025 North Sea ship collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An oil tanker is on fire off the coast of Kingston upon Hull, England, in the North Sea after colliding with another vessel. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A collision between an oil tanker and a container ship in the North Sea off the coast of Withernsea, England, causes an extensive fire and leaves one person injured and one other missing.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A container ship strikes an oil tanker in the North Sea off the coast of Withernsea, England, causing an extensive fire and injuring one person and leaving one other missing.
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, NBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
• Created by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)

 Bakhos Let's talk! 12:53, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose for now, as the article is a stub and has four references. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:00, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

The article will be expand soon Bakhos Let's talk! 13:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bakhos2010: When you nominated this, the article was just one sentence. That is impossible to assess. Write the article first; nominate it once it has been updated, to at least close to postable quality. ITN is not a breaking news service. This was clearly a premature nomination - even hours later, the article doesn't clarify the impact of this event, presumably because it's still unknown. Modest Genius ^talk 16:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Understood. If the article hasn’t been expanded yet, then the nomination should be closed quickly. Bakhos Let's talk! 17:53, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

By the way, I thought some wikipedians could nominate the event quickly after the article was created, so i had to nominate it quickly. I know ITN is not a breaking news service. Bakhos Let's talk! 04:08, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Wait for the article to be expanded, as it's quite short right now. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait. The article doesn't give enough information currently, and looking at news reports they don't have much more information either so there isn't (yet) anything that it can be expanded with. Thryduulf (talk) 14:34, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Support it's now clear that this is a significant enough incident and the article is in good shape, no need to wait any longer. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait. Only makes sense to post if there is a significant oil leakage or a large number of deaths (which this doesn't seem likely to be the case). The collision and fire itself is not a significant enough story for ITN. Masem (t) 14:47, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• We have Jet fuel spills into North Sea reporting, though no information on how serious this is. Though kerosene and its derivatives are not anywhere near as big as an environmental threat as heavy oils. Black Kite (talk) 15:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Wait too much is in the air to post. I suppose that goes without saying. No reporting on injuries or deaths in the article, nor threats of an oil spill, both of which may occur in the coming hours or days. Departure– (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• The local Member of Parliament for Hull is reporting that all 37 crew are now ashore (one is in hospital but not serious). Black Kite (talk) 15:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Wait - unknown environmental/human impacts. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 15:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose - not a routine accident given the size of the ships involved but definitively not a major event. Impact appears to be limited to only one non-fatal casualty, potentially an oil spilll, and one big headache for the ship owners and insurers. 2607:FA49:553D:1900:6456:4768:7E7C:1845 (talk) 16:22, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose This doesn't seem to be of international importance. We are absolutely not a rolling news source. Articles on the main page should be really high quality. Secretlondon (talk) 16:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Support, article looks good. Thankfully no fatalities. But jet fuel and sodium cyanide not a great mixture. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Note: BBC reports that one person is still missing. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Note: "Foul play not ruled out after oil tanker carrying US military jet fuel crashes" [3] Martinevans123 (talk) 07:56, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Note: no sodium cyanide onboard after all. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:46, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Significant (and rare) major maritime accident. Unknown number of persons missing + jet fuel + sodium cyanide + both ships on fire close to shore... yeah this is a blurb worthy event. Obviously there is also the potential for serious environmental impacts. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support and added alt ArionStar (talk) 19:51, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support But it wasn't a collision; it was an allision. It's in the news and worth posting to teach people the difference. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:07, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  That was the subject of an absolutely huge controversy at WP:SHIPS back in 2014. There were multiple discussions that eventually resolved to deprecate the use of that term because it was deemed too niche. FWIW I was strongly opposed to that. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  That was then and this is now. There's no trace of the issue in WP:SHIPMOS and, even if there were, that's just an essay. It's a nautical term but valid English per the OED and quite appropriate in this context. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:08, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  But BBC News, as might be expected, have always used the word "collision" and never used the word "allision." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

That's arrant pedantry of a most unhelpful kind - most people just don't know the word 'allision' and no clarity would be gained by using it. It's also untrue: a ship riding at anchor is not a fixed object in the sense that a pier is. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I wrote altblurb II just to sidestep this issue. Bremps... 00:53, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Agree Alt II is better, although looks a bit too long. Article lead now has "collided" with a footnote. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, less significant than other oil spills that weren’t posted. If this happened elsewhere, it would not have a snowball's chance at getting posted

Kowal2701 (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Some of those: Yellowstone 2015, California 2015, Kerch 2024 lots more Kowal2701 (talk) 21:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support alt unusual incident which is making global headlines, so support. And while I sympathize with Andrew's insistence on using the proper terminology, I think we should go with how the most prominent reliable sources are describing it. Unfortunately, the New York Times and BBC are using "collision", while only minor more niche maritime news sources are using "allision". Flip^andFlopped ツ 23:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed. We aim to communicate. Using an obscure (but technically correct word) does not help with this. Secretlondon (talk) 00:49, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. No lasting significance.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Two total confirmed/possible casualties, neither ship is notable on their own. An unusual incident, sure, but shipwrecks aren't uncommon, and this doesn't seem to have a special/lasting notability beyond the novelty of a collision. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:30, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Alt I: The article is now in a fit condition to be posted, and the event is In The News. Mjroots (talk) 06:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Impossible to know in advance whether something will have lasting significance, but at the moment we are looking at an international investigation and multiple sources suggesting the likelihood of a environmental crisis. That suffices. Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 11:49, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - We don't usually post things because sources think something will happen. Two casualties and no significant impacts. E_F⁵ 12:27, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Whilst "off Withernsea" is cited as the location in the article, and both alternative blurbs, a wider audience might find that reference too parochial. Associated Press and the BBC identify the location simply as in the North Sea and 20km off the East Yorkshire coast. AP goes further and talks in terms of 240 km north of London. The mjor ports of Hull and Grimsby are detailed on maps, whilst Withernsea (population 6,159) doesn't get a mention.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 16:37, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@WendlingCrusader: - this means there is and opportunity to get Withernsea linked from the main page, thus driving more eyes to the article and hopefully leading to improvements to the article. Mjroots (talk) 17:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support One person has died and another has been arrested on manslaughter charges. Also, the environmental effects are looking worse by the minute. Black Kite (talk) 18:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  Strike my earlier wait vote, and strong oppose, this isn't seeming notable. One alleged death wouldn't be much of a reason to post, and I'm not convinced about the ecological effects being any worse than numerous other oil spills that haven't been posted. Departure– (talk) 18:07, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  You might just have to strike it yourself? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  Done. Departure– (talk) 18:30, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

March 9

Portal:Current events/2025 March 9

March 9, 2025 (2025-03-9) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites, March 2025 Western Syria clashes Over 1,300 Syrians are killed within 72 hours amid ongoing clashes between the transitional government and pro-Assad forces. At least 973 Alawites, Christians, and civilians of other religious minorities are killed in reprisal massacres by alleged transitional government-associated armed forces. (NPR) (BBC) (SOHR) Gaza war Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip The Israeli military cuts off the electric power distribution supply for the Gaza Strip, affecting over 2 million Palestinians and causing a desalination plant that supplies drinking water to reduce its water output. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine, France–Ukraine relations, France–Russia relations French Armed Forces Minister Sebastien Lecornu says that France will use €195 million in interest from Russian assets to fund a military aid package to Ukraine. (Reuters) War against the Islamic State Kivu conflict, 2025 Democratic Republic of the Congo attacks Nine people are killed by Islamic State-aligned Allied Democratic Forces rebels in Lubero Territory, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP) Business and economy More than 40,000 passengers at Hamburg Airport in Hamburg, Germany, are affected and flights are cancelled after a worker protest organized by the trade union ver.di. (CTV News) Disasters and accidents A Beechcraft Bonanza aircraft carrying five people crashes in a retirement community in Manheim Township, Pennsylvania, United States, shortly after taking off from Lancaster Airport. (CNN) (LNP) The death toll from floods in Bahía Blanca, Argentina, increases to 16. (La Nación) Law and crime Reactions to the 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrests Mahmoud Khalil, a Palestinian student who played a prominent role during pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University, and revoke his green card and student visa. (BBC News) The United States Secret Service shoots and arrests an armed man outside the White House in Washington, D.C. following a confrontation with law enforcement. (NBC News) Politics and elections 2025 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election Mark Carney wins a landslide victory in the Liberal Party leadership election, with 86.85% of the vote, becoming prime minister–designate of Canada, replacing Justin Trudeau. (CBC) 2025 Romanian presidential election Nationalist candidate Călin Georgescu, the first-round winner in the 2024 election, is barred from running in the 2025 election by the Central Electoral Bureau. (G4 Media) In Bucharest, Romania, protests erupt in front of the Electoral Bureau with clashes with the police. (AP) Sports In American football, Cleveland Browns defensive end Myles Garrett becomes the highest paid non-quarterback in the National Football League after agreeing to a deal with the Browns that totals his salary at $40 million per year. (ESPN) In international cricket, India wins the 2025 ICC Champions Trophy by defeating New Zealand in the final. (AP)

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RD: Simon Fisher-Becker

Article: Simon Fisher-Becker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4], [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tim1965 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Its a stub. Grimes2 (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Much improved by User:Tim1965, but still needs refs for filmography section. Natg 19 (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Filmography completely cited now. - Tim1965 (talk) 23:16, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

(ready) Mark Carney elected

Article: 2025 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the 2025 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney (pictured), wins the election to succeed Justin Trudeau and become the next prime minister of Canada. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Liberal Party of Canada leadership election, Mark Carney (pictured) is designated as the new prime minister of Canada.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mark Carney (pictured) is chosen to succeed Justin Trudeau as Prime Minister of Canada and Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Rushtheeditor (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support, this is a change in the PM. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment we need a reference for the results, the table doesn't have one. Secretlondon (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

  @Secretlondon, fixed. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - this is premature. This is not a change in PM, it's the change in the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. Wait to see if Trudeau resigns (which is almost inevitable), and renominate if Carney becomes Prime Minister. I'm not sure why people keep nominating things prematurely. It's not a contest. Also, it was a leadership vote. It was not an election. Nfitz (talk) 23:50, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

  It's not premature. The party members elected him; if it shouldn't be called an election, then you need to get the article title changed. Trudeau had already announced he will resign(that triggered the election), they will decide the exact moment soon, but no one thinks this isn't going to happen. 331dot (talk) 23:56, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

  And Putin announced he wasn't going to invade Ukraine. Either way, renominate when that happens - which normally take one to two fortnights. Nfitz (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  We don’t post an inauguration - we post the election of a new leader. 2607:FEA8:2D43:D700:58D3:99FF:5AD5:E62C (talk) 00:26, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  It's already done. Trudeau is no longer PM. freshacconci (✉) 00:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  This is 100% false, @Freshacconci. Please don't participate here if you are just going to post stuff that obviously isn't true. Nfitz (talk) 02:32, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Excuse me? "...don't participate here..."? This isn't your personal fiefdom to gatekeep participation. Keep things civil. freshacconci (✉) 03:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Let's stick to the content, @Freshacconci - which was 100% false. It's not already done. Trudeau is still the PM. Nfitz (talk) 05:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Canada is a rule-based country. Secretlondon (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  The leader of the Liberal Party of Canada is the Prime Minster, so it is a change in PM. Hungry403 (talk) 00:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  This is false @Hungry403. There's nothing that says the leader is the PM. And right now the leader isn't the PM. What is your source? Nfitz (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Read, Cheers. Hungry403 (talk) 02:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Nfitz is correct. Trudeau is still the PM until he steps down, which should happen in the next day or two. Carney right now is the PM-elect / PM-designate. Natg 19 (talk) 03:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I get that, but we posted Trudeau's announcement of resignation before his actual resignation, and Trump's victory in the U.S. election before he was inaugurated, then I don't see why we can't post this prematurely. Hungry403 (talk) 05:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

We posted those events because it'd be months before the followup events actually happened. Carney will be PM in a matter of days, if not hours. Just wait until he actually is. RachelTensions (talk) 02:34, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough Hungry403 (talk) 03:53, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Leadership of a nation changed. We posted Trudeau's announcement of resignation, so we can post the results of it too. Hungry403 (talk) 00:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Trudeau hasn't resigned @Hungry403. He announced his intent to resign. The leadership of Canada has not changed. The leadership of a political party has changed. Historically under these circumstances, the transfer of power to a new PM takes about 2 to 4 weeks. Though with the threats by Canada's enemies to take over the country, these are not normal times. Nfitz (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait for Carney to take office, which should be in a few days. Natg 19 (talk) 00:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  That would be unusual. Two to 4 weeks is the norm after a leadership race. But these are unusual times. Nfitz (talk) 02:25, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

This article says "Earlier this week, outgoing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he expects the transition to happen "in the coming days or week." So I expect it to happen very soon. Natg 19 (talk) 03:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Other reports I have read say "expected to be sworn in as PM in the coming days" and "sworn into office by Friday." Natg 19 (talk) 04:00, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Is Fox News a reliable source? They also said the Project 2025 plan wasn't real. Nfitz (talk) 05:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I showed 2 other sources that say it is within the week. Natg 19 (talk) 07:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support - Mark Carney has been voted as leader of LPC and is now legally the prime minister elect (or next prime minister/prime minister in waiting). To become acting prime minister, he first needs to be sworn in by the Governor General (a representative in Canada of Britain's King Charles III) - this swearing in is an inauguration. Montezuma69 (talk) 00:33, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support A leadership change in a G7 country. ArionStar (talk) 00:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  That hasn't happened, and may still be weeks away. Nfitz (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  I prefer posting now instead of posting when he takes office. ArionStar (talk) 05:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Agree with posting now. It is happening. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:48, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support This is a major change that should be documented; even if Carney is just a "designate", this is still pretty notable... Stuffinwriting (talk) 01:12, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Added altblurb and support. Carney is still designated at this point. Moraljaya67 (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support. New PM, big change. Seems uncontroversial. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Once Prime Minister Trudeau resigns, and Carney becomes PM, it will be uncontroversial @Harizotoh9. Why not wait? Nfitz (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Waiting here is the equivalent of not posting the result of the 2024 U.S. presidential election because there is a chance that maybe Trump wouldn't end up be inaugurated; i.e., WP:CRYSTALBALL. DecafPotato (talk) 02:38, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Not that equivalent as his (Carney’s) inauguration is almost imminent, likely on 10 March by or before noon. Normally in the morning of the next day the outgoing PM will tend his resignation to the Governor General and then in less than one hour or so the new PM will be appointed. Starting from the same day the new Cabinet will be named and most of them will get appointed, too, with some junior roles being appointed in the following days. — Boreas. 04:16, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Why would it be on March 10 by or before noon? Normally it takes 2 to 4 weeks, @Chu Tse-tien? Do you have a reference for that? Nfitz (talk) 05:38, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Well it is purely my deduction but I reckon everyone can see this time is different, since Carney is not an MP and surely he will not choose to be filled in by a by-election and as he has already expressed his intention to call an election immediately, the delay in the name of transition will be unfounded this time. They will finish the transition immediately and Carney will immediately go to the Governor General to ask for the Parliament to be dissolved and a GE to be called, if I may take a guess here, on 21 April. This time it is the precedent of John Turner to refer to, not anything else. He became the leader of the LDP on 16 June and PM by the end of the month, 9 days later he dissolved the Parliament and a GE is called in September. But back then, the LDP used just one day to elect a new leader, not over two months, with the Parliament being prorogued for an unusually long period (in many other Westminster systems this might even be considered unlawful). The Parliament is to be resumed this week and you surely cannot imagine Trudeau continuing to take two weeks in the Parliament as the PM ;) Currently it’s the best time for the LDP to call an election and they will call it as soon as possible. — Boreas. 06:02, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  While it is purely my deduction, many a press did use the word ‘immediately’ this time, for instance, FT claimed ‘Carney is expected immediately to replace Trudeau’ in their article.

  But I would like to correct the record that I just read in The Globe and Mail that the Parliament is to be prorogued until 24 March (Wow! Canadian Parliament can be prorogued for so long?! Three whole months?!), so I was wrong (I remembered having read somewhere that the Parliament will resume this week, mea culpa). If so, then I stand corrected on my statement of an immediate PM change. I reckon it will not happen until the Parliament resumes. And the expected GE will also be delayed into May I think. Thank you for letting me correct myself ;) — Boreas. 06:25, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support and support to post now. Article quality requirements are met. Now is when this is news, not when Carney technically assumes the executive tomorrow or the day after. NorthernFalcon (talk) 03:56, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support, but suggest a little delay until the midday of 10 March by when he sure will be appointed as the new PM and all the confusions above shall then be cleared. (Besides, by the time he becomes the new PM, there shall be a honorific prefix of ‘The Right Honourable’ added on the top of the infobox of him, since in Canada this life-long prefix is conferred to every new PM, not necessarily requires them to be an MP.) — Boreas. 04:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Remember: in general, elections are more important than sworn in/take office/inauguration events (ongoing political crises are exceptions). —A good comment for Wikipedia:How ITN works (and how it doesn't)— ArionStar (talk)
• Support posting ASAP. The leadership election win is the news, the swearing in is a formality and can be updated if the blurb is still in the box at that time, which seems likely per the Globe and Mail [6] saying that this time it will be days instead of the usual weeks (e.g. Campbell in '93, Martin in '03) Other Commonwealth countries typically do the leadership switch the day of or the day after, so the closest parallel was Chris Hipkins being posted to ITN succeeding Ardern as NZPM upon being the only candidate in the race upon close of nominations on Jan. 20, 2023 [7], and only being officially sworn in on Jan. 25. Most of the blurbs did mention the party, with the bolding of the new PM/leadership election seems split, possibly dependent on page quality, which shouldn't be an issue here (e.g. Australia: Gillard, Rudd, Turnbull,Morrison; NZ: Hipkins; UK: May, Johnson,Truss, Sunak.) The two in Wikipedia's lifetime that did not mention the party were UK: Brown and NZ: English. I've suggested ALT2 based on the Hipkins post. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:52, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support as per above. The article is ready. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Very clear he will be Prime Minister, those saying "There's nothing saying the leader is the PM" have zero argument, they are technically correct and if those circumstances applied here they would have merit, but it has been said by the leadership candidates, by Trudeau, the media, and the Party leadership that yes, the newly elected leader will be Prime Minister. He will likely be sworn in tomorrow if not the day after. TheFellaVB (talk) 06:33, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support per above. The election is likely to be far more "in the news" than his swearing-in will, whether two days or two weeks away. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:37, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until Carney becomes PM. We did not post Shigeru Ishiba becoming the new LDP leader and only posted him when he assumed office as Japan's Prime Minister. Not sure what's different in Canada's case. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:56, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support change of head of government is ITN/R and we post the elections of British PMs when the Tories get bored of their current leader This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support - we normally post after elections, not when people take office. Toadspike [Talk] 07:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  after parliamentary or presidential elections, not party leadership elections. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait Trudeau is still PM and seems quite active in the role currently. As Canada's international relations are quite volatile currently, events might affect the succession and so we should wait on the formal transfer. ITN will look contradictory if it posts the succession ahead of it actually happening and then has to post a blurb such as the current tariff one in which Trudeau is still acting as PM. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support. This is patently in the news now, and similarly to election blurbs, the time the result is known is the correct time to post it. The Mark Carney article needs some work so in wouldn't bold that, but the election article itself is good to go. Given the large volume of support already, marking as Ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:34, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Marking as ready is improper as the discussion has not been open for a full day yet. It's not appropriate to rush this as we already posted Trudeau's intention to resign and his article is a controversial topic which requires special care. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  There's no requirement that a topic can't be marked as ready before a certain period AFAIK, especially with 1) a clear consensus as to posting and 2) this is ITNR. What controversial topic does this fall under? BLP? We're posting the election, not the person. Canadian politics is not a CTOP. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• It's a common complaint when nominations are posted before all time zones have had a chance to comment. WP:ITN/A says "If the consensus is not entirely clear, consider letting the nomination run for more time, especially if the nomination is less than 24 hours old."

Talk:Justin Trudeau says emphatically at the top that "The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, which has been designated as a contentious topic." I'm not sure of the details but suppose that there's a history of disputes.

Andrew🐉(talk) 09:48, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Major news, we have a new PM elect. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait, then support Let's wait for when Carney actually becomes Prime Minister of Canada, either immediately or in a few weeks' time. What is truly ITNR and ITN-worthy is the change in the head of Canada's government, not the Liberal Party's internal elections. His previous position at the Bank of Canada is totally irrelevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

A vote based on false evidence, and probably political trolling -insert valid name here- (talk) 20:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, it is apparently wikia policy not to post subnational elections/leadership changes, so the change of the Governor of Canadia should not be posted any more than the Governor of New York or California would be. This also means it was WP:UNDUE to post the initial announcement Governor Trudeau made if it was indeed posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:1C20:8C00:391A:3B70:2716:467F (talk) 11:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC) Prime minister is the national leader of Canada. I don't know where you got the idea that this is a subnational 'governor'. I'll assume good faith, but this could also be read as trolling. Modest Genius talk 11:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC) This is obviously a troll but, for constitutional accuracy, note that King Charles is the head of state and Mary Simon is his governor who will be appointing the new PM. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:51, 10 March 2025 (UTC) I hope this is trolling, but in case it's not- Canada is and forever be a sovereign nation :) 72.29.227.81 (talk) 15:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC) Probably one of the Trump supporters claiming Canada as the 51st state (which it isn't and never will be) Aydoh8[contribs] 14:17, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait a few days until Carney formally becomes PM. We're not a breaking news outlet, we can hang on until it's official. Modest Genius ^talk 11:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait. Wait until he actually becomes prime minister. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 11:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support, new world leaders are always posted after their election, not their swearing in.

Rahcmander (talk) 13:07, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait for Trudeau's actual resignation, then Support as this will be a change in leadership of Canada and the culmination of a leadership election. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:38, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose It's embarrassing that so many are chiming in without knowing what they're talking about. A hint: if you're an American with no background in Canadian politics having made no attempts to educate yourself, maybe sit this one out. He hasn't become PM yet and there's no reason to post this until he has. JDiala (talk) 13:42, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  I’d be more embarrassed about being uncivil tbh Kowal2701 (talk) 16:08, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Wait until Trudeau resigns then Support. Could possibly put an article about LPC leader change though because that has happened 72.29.227.81 (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait then Support as per above. The Westminister system of handling this is wonky, and although I don't expect surprises, the possibility exists that the Governor General invites someone other than Mark Carney to form a government. --Natural R_X 16:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  The possibility of that is less than say a US presedent trying to perpetuate an overthrough of the governement and convince the vice president not to approve the president elect. So you would support on waiting to announce a new US president until after inaugeration just in case. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Support, him winning the leadership election is much more notable than him taking office, as I doubt the latter will make headline/leading news due to it being an expected consequence of the former. Kowal2701 (talk) 16:20, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait until the Governor-General officially appoints him as PM. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support. He's been elected and is now the Prime Minister-designate. Holding off until he's officially appointed would be like holding off announcing a US presidential election victory until the president-elect was inaugurated. Azixw (talk) 17:25, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until Trudeau resigns. Change in head of state is ITN/R, not party elections. I think when Carney takes over is the best time to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Significant update to a notable subject who is in the news. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support posting now I've said in the past that I support posting when the leadership election is won, as opposed to when the ceremonial transfer of power takes place - it is quite literally more "in the news" + widely covered upon revelation of who the next leader is. The official swearing in ceremony, by contrast, is a mere formality which garners relative less coverage. Flip^andFlopped ツ 23:00, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Sounds like formal transfer of power will happen on Thur/Fri[8] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:46, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support - there's indications in the leading media the transition may be much quicker than usual. And now it's not 5 minutes after the announcement, the article has been improved. The suggestion by an IP that the Governor of Canada shouldn't be posted, is more vile American warmongering in support of fascism. Perhaps the entire IP rangeblock should be banned. Nfitz (talk) 05:56, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Posting Now. I've seen some arguments demanding it wait until the formality of the Governor-General appointing him to actually post this, but that would be incongruent with how Wikipedia handles Constitutional Monarchies: when the Brits change their PM, we post it as ITN/R when it's clear who the next PM will be. We didn't wait for the queen to formally appoint the PM. And for those unfamiliar, the Governor-General in this role simply serves as the stand-in for the British monarch. Nottheking (talk) 15:36, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until he takes office. Please be patient, and consider that the coverage of that moment will be bigger news than this internal party election. Abductive (reasoning) 17:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

2025 ICC Champions Trophy final

Article: 2025 ICC Champions Trophy final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, India defeat New Zealand by 4 wickets in the final to win the ICC Champions Trophy. (Player of the final Rohit Sharma pictured) (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: ICC Champions trophy. Link to 2017 nomination and discussion. Ktin (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Support - National championship. I'd say its notable enough. DotesConks (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

International, not national. Secretlondon (talk) 20:31, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Support - Popular tournament and notable too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40e2:100b:c537:dc93:e76b:661a:d1ba (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Support on quality, not sure about notability. I'm not in the loop about cricket (or sports generally). It does look like a different ICC tournament is on WP:ITN/R (the Men's T20 World Cup), and I'm not sure about the difference in notability for Champions. However, the article has a good amount of sufficient quality prose, both about the content and context of the game, and it's fully cited. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 01:08, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

strong oppose a sideshow of a never ending demand for live content to broadcast, not ITNR and only 8 eight teams (a sideshow for live content). It is neither the world cup nor the t20 world cup, nor the ipl (which is someone ITNR). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsnut24 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability. This is very much the second tier contest in men's one day cricket, behind the World Cup. Given we already blurb the World Cup, the 20/20 World Cup and the test World championship, not to mention women's events and the Ashes, it would be excessive to also blurb this.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:02, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. For anyone opposing — while, I respect your opinion — the question to ask is — what changed since 2017 for the notability of this event to change? If there has been no change to this event’s notability since the last time we posted, I do not think that argument holds. Ktin (talk) 00:10, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

What changed is the introduction of so many other cricket "championships". There seems to be one every six months. And we won't/cannot post them all. HiLo48 (talk) 02:03, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• many of the WP:ITN criteria have changed since that time. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:16, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  What change specifically would rule this nomination out? Ktin (talk) 00:22, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  I don't know what the 2017 criteria were, as wasn't active at ITNC then. But I under the current WP:ITNSIGNIF criteria, I would not have supported posting 2017 final, even though it had more coverage than 2025 (as was India/Pakistan match, which generally increases coverage). Champions Trophy is about the 5th biggest competition in cricket, possibly lower, which isn't high enough to post (T20 and 50 over World Cups, World Test Championship, IPL, Ashes are all way more significant and we'll covered). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as this doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. It probably isn't in the top 5 most notable cricket events, and isn't even the premier 50 over competition (the Cricket World Cup is). Posting in 2017 when criteria was different to now does not mean it has to be posted in 2025 using our current criteria. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:16, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• And I am also currently opposing on quality. The sections on each innings are too short, and there is way too much meaningless trivia in e.g. the match details notes using every stat they can find. Fails WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:18, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per @Joseph. In my opinion, it is the same significance as MLS, college football in the U.S., etc. Moraljaya67 (talk) 01:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose on notability it's not a top event as the Cricket World Cup is. ArionStar (talk) 04:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Doesn't seem to be as notable as the cricket tournaments we typically post. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:39, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Weak support. Cricket is an extremely popular sport in large parts of the world; if anything we under-represent it on ITNR. This is a second-level tournament, a smaller version of the World Cup held in the gaps between those events. If we were to post another 50-over format competition, this would be the one to go with. I'm not entirely convinced it's significant enough, but what tips my !vote is the article quality - there are good prose summaries of the group stages and final, which has often been the problem with sports nominations and I would like to reward. I think we can post this, but explicitly without it setting a precedent or being considered for ITNR. Modest Genius ^talk 11:23, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose not ITNR, not that notable. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:37, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Not in ITNR. The only international cricket results we post are The Ashes, The Cricket World Cup and the T20 World Cup (male and female). The Champions Trophy is really minor in comparison. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:00, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Something not being on ITNR is not a reason to either post or not post something. It must be judged on it's notability and article quality. Comments whose only rationale for (not) posting is related to ITNR should be disregarded. Thryduulf (talk) 20:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Disagree that a national championship in a given sport inherently makes it notable enough, especially when we already post a lot about other more prominent cricket tournaments to begin with. Not seeing enough global impact or widespread coverage in the RS to justify posting this. Flip^andFlopped ツ 23:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  @Flipandflopped Like said before by other editors, it is an international tournament. ICC is not Indian Cricket Council (Although this guy has probably made it so) TNM101 (chat) 13:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

March 8

Portal:Current events/2025 March 8

March 8, 2025 (2025-03-8) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites, March 2025 Western Syria clashes The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reports that groups attributed to the Syrian Ministry of Defense have killed over 750 Alawite civilians across several massacres in western Syria. (SOHR) (CTV News) Gaza war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Three Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip, two by a drone strike in Rafah and one by gunfire in al-Tannour, Rafah Governorate, which violates the 2025 ceasefire. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine A Russian ballistic missile strike on Dobropillia, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, kills at least eleven people and injures 37 others. (Reuters) A Russian Shahed drone strike on a business park in Bohodukhiv, Kharkiv Oblast, kills three people and wounds seven others. (Ukrinform) Somali Civil War 2025 Shabelle offensive Al Shabaab seizes the town of Cadale and some villages including Bushra Sheekh, Ceel Xarar and Xaruur, around 70 km (43 mi) of Mogadishu. Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud asks Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed for help. Ethiopia sends ten thousand ENDF troops near the Ethiopia–Somalia border. (Idil News) Dozens of people are killed, including a senior police commander, as heavy fighting breaks out after Al-Shabaab fighters attack the Police Force. Al-Shabaab claims to have taken over new areas of Al-Kawthar and Boos-Hareeri in Middle Shabelle region, Hirshabelle State, Somalia. (Idil News) Business and economy Canada–China trade war China announces that it will implement 100% tariffs on several Canadian agricultural exports, including rapeseed and peas, and 25% tariffs on pork and aquacultural products will be implemented on March 20 in retaliation against earlier tariffs instituted by Canada on Chinese electric vehicles and metal exports. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 Australian region cyclone season Cyclone Alfred One person is confirmed killed and thirteen others are injured in floods caused by Cyclone Alfred as it passes through Queensland and New South Wales, Australia. (AP) Law and crime Eight people are injured, including two critically, in a vehicle-ramming attack at a CarMax car dealership in Inglewood, California, United States. (NBC News) Sports FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 2025 Two ski jumpers from the Norwegian ski jumping team, Marius Lindvik and Johann André Forfang, are disqualified for cheating and Lindvik loses the silver in the men's individual normal hill in Granåsen, Trondheim. (Kronen Zeitung)

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(Ready) RD: Athol Fugard

Article: Athol Fugard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News24
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:607E:905:50A8:545B (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Greenman (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: South African playwright. 240F:7A:6253:1:607E:905:50A8:545B (talk) 20:01, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support: article is in pretty good shape, well referenced, significant prose. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 22:46, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support: Well-known playwright from South Africa. More people have heard of him than some of the other people we have posted on RD. Djprasadian (talk) 14:58, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Most important playwright to ever come out of South Africa. Extremely significant during the years of apartheid when the far-right was in power. Nfitz (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Art Schallock

Article: Art Schallock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Soft oppose--The article is in mostly great shape, but there's one uncited sentence around his death claiming two factoids (that might not need to be there): a) he was the last surviving person who played with Joe Dimaggio and b) he was the last surviving member of the 1953 World Series winning Yankees. If those details are either removed or reliably cited, we'll be good to go. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 08:14, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

  Support now - these issues appear to be fixed. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 20:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article's length and sourcing appear to be good enough quality, and no major issues persist. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:33, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites

Article: 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 750 Alawite civilians are massacred in western Syria by the Syrian Armed Forces. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hundreds of Alawite civilians are massacred in western Syria by the Syrian Armed Forces.
Alternative blurb II: ​ As part of the Western Syria clashes, hundreds of Alawite civilians are reportedly massacred by the Armed Forces.
Alternative blurb III: ​ More than a thousand Syrians, mostly civilians, are reportedly killed during clashes in western Syria and subsequent revenge killings.
News source(s): (SOHR) CTV NewsAP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)

• Support This news is headlining multiple organizations
• Oppose, if the 300 death toll were a single massacre then that would be notable, but this has been across multiple massacres since January. People dying is nothing really unusual in a war. 675930s (talk) 13:57, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

The 300 death toll is only for march 7-8. Djodjor (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I see, then I change my stance to Support upon independent verification of the claim. 675930s (talk) 15:02, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

@Djodjor is that a support blurb from you? Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:47, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I Support. Djodjor (talk) 18:14, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support ITN blurb. Very depressing turn of events. Jehochman ^Talk 15:18, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose for now For three main reasons:

1. I wanted to verify whether the death toll cited in the blurb is accurate, so I did a little bit more research. That figure comes from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, and has now been re-reported by the New York Times. However, the NYT article is clear that "the allegations could not be independently verified [...] another monitoring group, the Syrian Network for Human Rights, reported that government security forces had only killed some 125 civilians. It said that men of all ages were among the casualties and that the forces did not distinguish between civilians and combatants". The 340+ claim does not seem sufficiently independently verified among the RS to make the main page.
2. Although Djodjor is correct that this is a horrific death count for only two days of conflict, the current blurb makes it seem like 340+ people were executed and massacred in a singular mass killing, such as what occurred with the Flour massacre, for example. Per the NYT, this is not what happened: the NYT article linked above discusses reports of indiscriminately dropping crude bombs from helicopters and aggressive guerrilla tactics throughout Tartus and Latakia, which has resulted in dramatically rising civilian casualties. Heavy civilian casualties due to indiscriminate tactics is distinct from a singular massacre of hundreds of civilians, which is what the blurb implies. That might still be sufficiently notable for ITN, but we need to make sure the blurb is accurate.
3. In addition, the blurb claims the massacre was committed by Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham. However, the target article for that organization refers to it in the past tense in its first sentence and claims it was disbanded in January 2025. Either the blurb or the lede of the article it links to is therefore incorrect.

I'm open to changing my vote once these accuracy issues are addressed or once the RS become more clear. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait per Flipandflopped's first point — independent confirmation is needed. SOHR has also updated its death toll to 745 civilians. Another issue is that the target page appears to be about a broader range of attacks starting in December, not this specific clash on March 6–8 (which might merit its own article). I would support posting this to ITN on notability. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 22:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

  With the amount of coverage this massacre has received, I strongly support posting it; *not* posting this high-profile story would be a failure on our part. This massacre did occur, it is only the death toll that hasn't been independently confirmed (Reuters and BBC have still been unable to confirm the death toll). Altblurb1 without an exact death toll seems sufficient. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:35, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose for now counterinsurgency campaign has civilian death toll. More at 11. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

  While a counterinsurgency campaign typically has civilian casualties, the events unfolding in Latakia are being characterized as deliberate massacres by multiple sources, including the BBC and CNN. It seems a bit flippant to dismiss the events as simply side effects of an insurgency when there is ample evidence that this is a pogrom and should be treated as such. FossilDS (talk) 21:13, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait for independent confirmation as per Flipandflopped and Nice4What. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:03, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment should we add the Actual Insurgency article to the blurb? Considering its significance i feel like it would help bolster the argument for blurbing this further. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:15, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose This is the latest phase of the continuing Syrian Civil war which is no doubt generating much conflict and misery. But the article Western Syria clashes (December 2024–present) has quality issues with multiple orange tags. And it says that misinformation is rife and so we should be wary about selective reporting of inflammatory claims. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights seems respectable but is based in the UK and mostly a one-man operation so we shouldn't just repeat their output.

More generally, the Syrian conflict seems like the Somali civil war which is nominated below. They are both classified as minor wars as they generate 1-10,000 deaths annually. There are 6 major wars listed which are worse and so we should keep our coverage in proportion. The entire region of the Middle East seems to have endemic conflict just about everywhere -- only Jordan and the Gulf States are shown as peaceful.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Neutral—In principle, I would support a blurb on the notability of these massacres as a major (and deeply unfortunate) development in this new phase of the Syrian Civil War, What gives me pause is the attribution of the massacres to the Syrian Armed Forces, without any further context or elaboration, when the question of culpability remains up in the air. As the two proposed blurbs are currently worded, the underlying message being conveyed is that the current Syrian government, under Ahmed al-Sharaa, ordered these killings. In reality, we don't actually know whether they were perpetrated as part of a systematic and centrally-organized campaign of persecution against the Alawites, or if they were spontaneous acts of mass murder committed by rogue combatants within the SAF. In his response to the violence, al-Sharaa explicitly pinned the blame on pro-Assad elements attempting to discredit the new government; for all we know at this time, he may be right. In short, I do think this is a significant enough development to merit a blurb, but I want us to be very careful about how we phrase it to avoid inadvertently giving any particular narrative undue weight. Kurtis ^(talk) 12:05, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Specific targetting of civilians from a minority ethnic group is clearly significant, being a part of a larger ongoing conflict does not downplay it. Labelling these as counterinsurgency operations is abhorent. A blurb along the lines of "A massacre of Alawite civilians has been conducted in western Syria" would be better. Gotitbro (talk) 12:48, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support When it seems to end… ArionStar (talk) 12:58, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Wait until independent confirmation. Even the most recent BBC article I see, 30 minutes prior to writing this comment, says there's no validation yet of any deaths. Masem (t) 13:15, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

  This happened. There are dozens of videos of people being shot. The whole "independent confirmation" thing just strikes me as lowkey racism, where you need some organization ran by white people to verify the atrocity before it is deemed truth, and the Syrian human rights groups are inadequate. But such verification may never come because the West supports these jihadists. JDiala (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

  When there are major human rights violations, there are usually non involved human rights orgs that get in on foot to provide independent confirmation (eg as in the recent evrnts in Gaza). The assertions of a closely involved org are something to be suspect of in terms of the appropriate quality of the article.

  That said we have confirmation there has been a major violent escalation over there last several days, and asserting that in the urn as the factual statement along with the assertion on >1000 killed, is a far more neutral way to do this without waiting for the additional verification on the exact number. Masem (t) 18:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support One of the worst atrocities of the modern era. It's basically a Yazidi-tier genocide. Calls for independent confirmation are, in my view, textbook systemic racism in action (see comment above). In any case, we have multiple WP:RS stating as a matter of fact that the events occurred, including the US State Department and AP headlines, so it is suitable to include at this point. JDiala (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment A possible compromise position which may please everyone is simply including the word "reportedly" in the blurb. I should clarify that I'm not super keen on this, but it could be a way to streamline the consensus process here. JDiala (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Major and tragic event that is escalating as we speak. Media is conflicted on exactly what branch of government-affiliated fighters are committing these atrocities so leave that out for now and add it in when that's stable. Bremps... 19:20, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Almost shameful if we don't recognize this. --FelineHerder (talk) 20:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support This news is headlining multiple organizations including the BBC, and the scope and scale of the massacres have provoked widespread international reactions. This clearly goes beyond the causalities one would expect from a war, and and Wikipedia should recognize at such.FossilDS (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment — Should we link March 2025 Western Syria clashes in the blurb? DecafPotato (talk) 22:03, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support This NEEDS to be added. This is not just some clash in the ongoing civil war, but a notable series of events including the worst violence over a few days since the days when ISIS still held considerable territory in Syria. As someone who was cautiously optimistic about the developments since December, I had to face reality after seeing how awful these events are-they are notable of their own accord, and even if one still hopes the government brings accountability for this, to just pretend it's not a major event disturbs my conscience. And just because some of the facts around them are still ambiguous doesn't make them not worthy of the newsbox. There have been many attacks/massacres/other similar events that have made the news box even if casualties/perpatrators were unclear or being debated.

At the very least, the clashes should be moved as one of the 'ongoing events'. RoughEndofthePineapple (talk) 07:25, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Controversial I just checked and confirmed that "The article 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites, along with other pages relating to the Syrian Civil War and ISIL, is designated by the community as a contentious topic". We should therefore be cautious about partisan and non-ECP contributions to this discussion. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Not all contentious topics are under EC protection. This one isn't. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, looks to pretty much just be a 1RR. Aydoh8^[contribs] 14:20, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Strong support, these atrocities should absolutely be recognised in ITN, and the death toll unfortunately just seems to keep growing. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:54, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Support ALT3: Widely reported incident. Prodrummer619 (talk) 14:10, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose the blurbs as a WP:V, and WP:NPOV violation. The CTV News article is a RS, but it clearly attributes the death toll to the SOHR, not its own voice. It also blames the killings on "Sunni Muslim gunmen loyal to the government", not the Syrian Armed Forces. Al-Jazeera adds that "Al Jazeera was unable to independently verify the death toll."[10] The other issue is that sources are reporting that 125 government security force members and 148 militants were also killed in the violence[11]. We need a better blurb.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
  • I've proposed alt blurb 3.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:23, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Updated vote I agree in spirit with Nice4What and others that atrocious massacres have certainly happened, but strongly caution any posting admin to post altblurb 3 only. The original nomination of this blurb confidently, and yet objectively incorrectly, attributed the massacres to Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham. This has since been modified to accuse the Syrian Armed Forces (an arm of the the new Syrian government). There is an understandable rush to support posting on notability, fuelled by the moral outrage, but this initial inaccuracy underscores that who exactly committed this massacre is still being investigated. We have to be very careful that what we are blurbing is accurate and independently verified. Among the RS, there seems to be a general agreement that many of the massacres were committed by anti-Assad groups. Howwever, there is a major difference between Sunni Muslim militant groups who are allied with the government committing the massacres, and the military directly committing the massacres on order of the new Syrian government. Wikipedia should not be the first to break a story and confidently accuse a state of war crimes, when the NYT BBC CTV etc are not yet willing to do so and are only relaying the Syrian Human Rights Monitor's accusations in passive voice. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support only ALT3 per Flipandflopped. These are the largest clashes since the fall of the government and the civilian deaths only add to to why it should be posted, but assignment of blame is still unclear and we should post a safer blurb. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support ALTIII per above. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support ALT3 per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: ALT3 is the best option here, but there are two problems:
  • The article still attributes the killings to the Syrian government, which is false.
  • The article correctly says that some of the civilian killings were perpetrated by the Assad loyalists, but ALT3 only refers to the revenge killings, which implies that only the government allies were responsible, which is false. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 10:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  Plus, I believe the blurb should refer to the March 2025 Western Syria clashes in particular, because the killings of the Alawites - while tragic - is not the only thing that happened here. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 10:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  Agree with this for the record, oppose on quality until these issues are addressed. Flip^andFlopped ツ 13:56, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

March 7

Portal:Current events/2025 March 7

March 7, 2025 (2025-03-7) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites, March 2025 Western Syria clashes A Syrian war monitor reports that Syrian security forces executed 52 Alawite men in Latakia province after clashes broke out the day prior against the new Syrian regime. (AFP via Al Arabiya) (AP) Islamic State insurgency in Puntland Puntland counter-terrorism operations, American military intervention in Puntland The United States Army stationed in Puntland maintains its operations and declare will not pull out of the region in response to double ongoing operations in the fight against ISIL in Puntland's Bari Region. (Garowe Online) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches an overnight missile and drone attack across Ukraine, damaging energy and gas infrastructure. Ukraine says that it shot down 34 of 67 missiles and 100 of 194 drones. (Reuters) Ukraine deploys its Dassault Mirage 2000 jets against Russian forces for the first time, with the jets intercepting several Russian cruise missiles with air-to-air missiles. (BBC News) (Politico) South Sudanese Civil War 2025 Nasir clashes A UNMISS helicopter operator and approximently 27 South Sudanese soldiers are killed after being fired on by a local militia group while evacuating Nasir, South Sudan. (Reuters) Somali Civil War Al Shabaab militants carry out several attacks in Middle Shabelle, Hiiraan regions of Hirshabelle and Lower Shabelle region from South West State of Somalia. The group's main goal is to capture Mogadishu. (Mepa News) The Federal Government of Somalia bans most weapons and armored vehicles at Mogadishu Airport following U.S. warnings of Al-Shabaab threats to Mogadishu. (Garowe Online) Egyptair joins Qatar Airways and Turkish Airlines in suspending flights to Mogadishu's Aden Adde airport following a U.S. warning about a potential imminent terrorist attack on the airport. (Mustaqbal Media) War on drugs in Ecuador At least 22 people are killed after rival factions of the Los Tiguerones drug trafficking syndicate shoot at each other in Guyaquil, Ecuador. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Hudson's Bay, Canada's oldest department store, files for creditor protection and intends to restructure. (CBC News) Disasters and accidents All trains running through the Gare du Nord railway station in Paris, France, including Eurostar trains from London and Brussels, are canceled due to the discovery of a World War II-era unexploded ordnance containing 200 kg (440 lb) of explosives near the rail tracks near the station. (The Independent) (DW) At least ten people are killed in floods caused by heavy rain in Bahía Blanca, Buenos Aires Province, Argentina. (Reuters) Health and environment Stand Up for Science 2025 Organized demonstrations and walkouts of scientists take place across 30 cities in the United States and France in protest of the Donald Trump administration's grant budget and employment cuts to several government scientific agencies. (AP) International relations Canada–Philippines relations Canada and the Philippines conclude negotiations on a visiting forces agreement. (Reuters) Law and crime 2025 United States federal mass layoffs The Native American Rights Fund, on behalf of five Indigenous American students and three tribes, the Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes, the Prairie Band Potawatomi Nation, and the Pueblo of Isleta, file a lawsuit against the United States Department of the Interior and the Bureau of Indian Education (BIE) for alleged wrongful dismissals of BIE schoolteachers. (AP) Arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol The Seoul Central District Court lifts the arrest warrant for South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol after his initial detention period expired. (DW) Capital punishment in the United States Convicted murderer Brad Sigmon is executed by firing squad at Broad River Correctional Institution in South Carolina, United States. He is the first inmate to be executed via firing squad since June 2010. (Sky News) Proposed secession of Republika Srpska Bosnian Serb police begin removing state police from their posts in Banja Luka, Bosnia and Herzegovina, in a move aimed at implementing separatist legislation signed into law by Republika Srpska leader Milorad Dodik. (Reuters) Twelve people are injured in a mass shooting at a pub in Toronto, Canada. Three suspects are at large. (BBC News)

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RD: Gabrielle Davis

Article: Gabrielle Davis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kent Online
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kj cheetham (talk · give credit), Storye book (talk · give credit) and Technopat (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death published on 7 March. Date of passing not apparent in the source, however, unsourced additions by an anonymous editor, presumably a family member or a close one from the more intimate details added, put her death sometime at the end of February. – robertsky (talk) 21:51, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Support. For your information, I have never had any close relationship, friendship or local knowledge of Gabrielle Davis. I created the article about her (and other related articles) because of her notable local political work regarding the 2010 threatened closure of local museums by Canterbury City Council. I took the article's photo of her, and it was kind of her to permit that. All my own edits on the article had to be separately referenced by my own efforts, so as to provide citations (so no OR by me). I have not spotted unsourced edits in the article (which is on my watchlist), but if you are aware of any, please let me know so that I can search for citations. If she made a will, then the exact date of death will be announced when the probate is published, but that process can take months. I could apply for and pay for her death certificate now, to get an exact date, but if you want me to do that, please tell me now, as the process can take more than a week, via the GRO. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment We don't normally have articles on local councillors. Secretlondon (talk) 16:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• The notability of the article is not that she had a particular job (of councillor and sheriff). It's about what she achieved, in spite of council policy. It if were not for her work, Herne Bay would have lost its museum, which represents the town's identity and heritage. If she had just done her job as local councillor, i.e. done what she was told to do in the council chamber, there would be no Herne Bay Museum. Storye book (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Brad Sigmon

Article: Brad Sigmon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ArionStar (talk) 02:04, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article has plentiful references, especially on the firing squad execution. Only slight quirk is that they are mostly at the end of paragraphs, but that's ok — WikiContributor0830 (t) 02:54, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Well written and sourced plus highly notable. Inexpiable (talk) 08:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support Satis. Execution by firing squad. Incredible! Grimes2 (talk) 14:20, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: A couple of CN tags (not many) but the following sentence definitely needs one as negative unsourced BLP: "At age 18, Sigmon's string of criminal activity began in Greer with an armed robbery charge on May 29, 1976". Spencer^T•C 03:21, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Doyin Okupe

Article: Doyin Okupe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Natg 19 (talk) 00:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Support Appears to be cited and somewhat whole. Last section should be renamed "Legal issues" but that's a small thing. Bremps... 02:28, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support per Bremps: no major issues with article. Renamed last section. Should be good to go. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:17, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:17, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

March 6

Portal:Current events/2025 March 6

March 6, 2025 (2025-03-6) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes March 2025 Western Syria clashes At least 16 members of the security forces and 28 Assad loyalists are killed in a series of ambushes and shootouts in Latakia Governorate, Syria. (Al Arabiya) (France 24) Four smuggling suspects are killed in clashes between Jordanian border forces and armed groups attempting to cross from Syria. (The New Arab) Save the Children says that landmines and unexploded ordnance in Syria have killed or injured at least 188 children since the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad in December 2024. (Al Arabiya) Russo-Ukrainian war Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian war Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof announces US$3.8 billion in national military funding for Ukraine in 2026, including $700 million in Dutch drone manufacturing. Norwegian and Polish leaders also announce increases in military aid for Ukraine. (ABC News) Rohingya genocide The United Nations World Food Programme announces that it will reduce the emergency food rations for Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh from US$12.50 to $6 per person. (Al Jazeera) Somali civil war Turkish Airlines and Qatar Airways temporarily suspend flights to Aden Adde International Airport in Mogadishu, Somalia, following security warnings from the United States embassy about potential terrorist attacks targeting the airport. (AeroTime) (Hiiraan Online) Business and economy Second Trump tariffs 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico Following phone calls between United States President Donald Trump, Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Trump announces a pause on some tariffs on both Canada and Mexico until April 2. Sheinbaum states that Mexico will collaborate with the United States on migration and security issues, including controlling cross-border fentanyl smuggling. (ABC News) (DW) (CBC) 2020s European re-armament Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez announces that Spain will accelerate defense spending to 2% of its GDP in four years. (El Mundo) U.S. President Donald Trump signs an executive order creating a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve funded exclusively with bitcoin seized in criminal and civil forfeiture cases. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2025 Pocheon bombing Two South Korean Air Force KF-16 jets erroneously release eight MK82 bombs over home territory in Pocheon, Gyeonggi Province, striking a residential area and multiple homes, injuring at least 15 people, four of them seriously. (Reuters) At least two people are killed and 186 others are missing after four boats carrying African migrants heading towards the Arab Gulf states capsize off the coast of Yemen and Djibouti. Two Yemeni crew members are rescued by the International Organization for Migration. (Al Jazeera) Health and environment According to a report in the academic journal Science, the population of the 554 recorded species of butterflies in the U.S. have declined by 22% since 2000. (NPR) International relations France–Ukraine relations French defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu says France will continue sharing military intelligence to Ukraine regarding the Russian invasion. (AP) The United States withdraws from the Just Energy Transition Partnership, a program that helps emerging countries transition away from non-renewable energy sources like fossil fuels. (DW) (Reuters) Law and crime Sudanese civil war The government of Sudan files a lawsuit in the International Court of Justice against the United Arab Emirates for its alleged support of the Rapid Support Forces and its complicity in genocide against the Masalit people in Darfur, Sudan. The UAE denies its involvement in Sudan and calls the lawsuit a "publicity stunt". (Middle East Eye) (Al Jazeera) The European Court of Justice fines Germany €34 million (US$36.7 million) for failing to implement a European Union law to protect whistleblowers by 2021. The Court also fines Czechia €2.3 million, Hungary €1.5 million, and Luxembourg and Estonia €500,000 each for the same reason. (DW) Six individuals, including retired general and far-right politician Radu Theodoru, are arrested on accusations of being involved in a Russian-backed coup d'état plot in Romania. (The Financial Times) (Politico) Science and technology 2025 in spaceflight Starship flight test 8 SpaceX launches its eighth test flight of the Starship launch vehicle from Starbase in Texas, United States. The first stage was caught by the launch tower despite Raptor engine failures during landing, but the second stage failed during its burn, mirroring the last flight test in January. (Reuters) Intuitive Machines' space probe IM-2 Athena lands on Mons Mouton near the lunar south pole after launching from Kennedy Space Center in Florida, U.S., on February 27. (BBC News) An Ariane 6 rocket launches French military satellite CSO-3 from Guiana Space Centre in French Guiana. It is the first commercial launch of the Ariane 6 expendable launch system. (AP)

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RD: Ricardo Scofidio

Article: Ricardo Scofidio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American architect Thriley (talk) 17:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Australian Suicide (wrestler)

Article: Australian Suicide (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News AU
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Natg 19 (talk) 01:02, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Somalia Civil War

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Somali Civil War (2009–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The Constitutional crisis in Somalia and the Las Anod conflict (2023–present) are often in the news. ArionStar (talk) 19:50, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Could you please help ITN voters out by specifying a blurb and adding a nomination editor? Just because something in the news a lot, doesn't mean it merits a blurb. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:17, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  I think this might be supposed to be an ongoing nomination. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:01, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  It's an "ongoing" nominatination. ArionStar (talk) 21:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Not sure the articles get updated enough for ongoing, there are other conflicts such as Myanmar civil war (2021-present) which also unfortunately don't meet the criteria (WP:ONGOING)

Kowal2701 (talk) 22:02, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

So, what's the criteria for ongoing? ArionStar (talk) 22:22, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Kowal2701 said it in their reply, Wikipedia:ONGOING. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 22:24, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Generally, these are stories which may lack a blurb-worthy event, but which nonetheless nonetheless are still getting regular updates to the relevant article. In general, articles are not posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening. In order to be posted to ongoing, the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information. Articles whose most recent update is older than the oldest blurb currently on ITN are usually not being updated frequently enough for ongoing status. Natg 19 (talk) 23:01, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Ongoing are meant for stories that would have near daily coverage and updates to their articles (in addition to quality issue), not simply because the event is ongoing. This gets some coverage from time to time but given how prolonged it is, most of the media seem to give little coverage of it. Masem (t) 23:16, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Not in the news. There are numerous ongoing armed conflicts. This one is graded as minor. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:39, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose, not nearly important or frequently updated enough to warrant an Ongoing. While this is notable for lasting so long it doesn't have enough coverage to deserve an Ongoing. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 02:35, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Masem. Spencer^T•C 05:06, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

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RD: Krzysztof Kononowicz

Article: Krzysztof Kononowicz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13][14]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cosmia Nebula (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Natg 19 (talk) 18:47, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article's sourcing and length appear to be up to standard. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:18, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

RD: Iftikhar Ahmed Sirohey

Article: Iftikhar Ahmed Sirohey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [15][16]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Natg 19 (talk) 18:41, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Support The article looks complete (enough) and well-cited. Bremps... 19:22, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) IM2 loses contact with ground control

Article: IM-2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Athena loses contact with NASA and Nova-C controllers. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Athena touches down on the surface, communicating to earth, but might be on its side.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Intuitive Machines's Athena soft-lands on the Moon as part of NASA's Commercial Lunar Payload Services program.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Intuitive Machines's Athena soft-lands on the Moon on its side and is unable to complete its mission.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Shaneapickle (talk · give credit)
• Created by Thistheyear2023 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

• Oppose due to it being too soon. Likely that Athena toppled over just like Odysseus, but all we know now is that Athena is sending some data as far as I can see in this CNN live update, that's limited to just reporting that the Athena is generating power. Scuba 17:57, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Alt2 landing was actually a success, ITN/R

• Oppose Watching the feed, I didn't see any indication that they lost contact. Though it does seem that it is again on it's side. WAY too soon. Nfitz (talk) 18:11, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  They did lose some of the lander's contact due to the fact 1 of the two radio antennaes shut off. Shaneapickle (talk) 18:18, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  It's looking increasingly likely that it landed too close to a boulder that is blocking the sun, and radio signals, on one side of the lander resulting in a loss of power... or it tipped over. But it never went out of contact unexpectedly. Scuba 19:30, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  Given the landing was a disaster, and they've now permanently lost contact with it, I don't know why there's any support. These attempts are frequent enough these days, I don't think we need to post the crashes. Nfitz (talk) 08:57, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

  Technically all of these supports are correct on this, although it did get to Mons Mouton it was 250 miles away from its designated landing spot, but it still landed on the moon. So based on ITN/R, the moon was a technical landing designation, but it stil dident get to its destination, and its based on my specific ides and thoughts along with the other supporters, Chorchapu is supporting the alt blurbs not the og blurb. Shaneapickle (talk) 16:46, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation that the lander has in fact is on its side, we should really avoid preemptively saying anything about the lander before more information is released. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 18:43, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support altblurb 2 per more recent updates. Fairly important mission that I think deserves an ITN mention. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:38, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  Given the new information I now change my support to altblurb 3, but changing "and" to "but". User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 18:20, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait until more information is known. We're not a breaking news service. ITN shouldn't put a blurb on the Main Page until the outcome of the landing is clear - and the article has been updated accordingly. Did it crash, land safely, or something in between? Modest Genius ^talk 19:26, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  Still wait. The press conference last night has provided some information, but it remains unclear what the status of the spacecraft is. It seems to have landed but either been damaged or fell over, and isn't generating enough power to operate the science experiments. Maybe this is recoverable or maybe it's terminal; we don't know yet. Modest Genius ^talk 12:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  Official reports by NASA and IM have said that the lander did land, but facing the wrong way. Shaneapickle (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  If so, that information should be added to the article and cited to reliable (third party) sources. Modest Genius ^talk 15:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  I now oppose. It is now clear that the spacecraft landed in the wrong place, fell over, couldn't generate power from its solar panels, and was unable to complete its mission. I don't think ITN should be posting unsuccessful attempts, regardless of the positive spin that the company is attempting to put on it. Modest Genius ^talk 11:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

  It still falls under ITN/R due to the fact it reached an area that was part of its mission was to go to the SOUTH POLAR REGIONS OF THE MOON. Shaneapickle (talk) 12:34, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• I know the updates say there is some communication and experiments on board are running, but if it did land or topple on its side, like IM1, I don't know if we'd call that a successful landing for ITNR. Masem (t) 23:50, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

  As far as I can see, it hasn't toppled over, it's just angled away from the sun so it isn't getting a full charge. Scuba 00:03, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  They don't know how it's oriented outside of the poor solar charging, and it will be a few days before any craft will be ae to sight it and conform. — Masem (t) 00:25, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  Mind you, "destination" is the key word for the ITN/R criteria, not status. So in this case, the fact that it accomplished "A soft landing on the Moon" (even if it tipped over) means that it did manage to arrive at its destination. Whether it could accomplish its mission at its destination is another matter entirely, and not covered by the ITN/R criteria. (and would be impractical to cover, given that the at-destination durations of these missions readily exceed the lifetime of any ITN item on the FP) Nottheking (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Wait as per others. As the ITN/R criteria specifies, "destination" is critical. This both means that the blurb needs to mention its destination, and likewise, a final statement on its condition (whether it was a success, partial success, etc.) should be known. (on an aside, this does mean that had it failed to land at all the argument could've been well-made that it failed to meet the ITN/R criteria) Nottheking (talk) 14:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support and has added an alt. It's now been confirmed it's on its side and the company has declared its mission cannot be completed given its orientation. -- KTC (talk) 18:54, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose According to the Guardian (see link) it didn't even land where it was supposed to, but 250 miles away. That doesn't sound like "reaching its destination" per ITNR, at least in my book. Khuft (talk) 20:17, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  Spacecraft never bullseye their landing. There's a reason "Astronomical distances" is a term. The overall target was... To land in the polar regions of the Moon, which it definitely made it to. Nottheking (talk) 15:31, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• I am neutral on this, but doesn't "destination" for ITN/R in a more general sense mean the Moon? I assume this is distinguishing between successfully landings (or entries into orbit) and failures. Natg 19 (talk) 20:55, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, in spaceflight this is the general sense. So the broad category here that makes it "to Lunar orbit and beyond" is that it reached "soft landed on the Moon." The arguments that it somehow isn't on the Moon because it deviated a distance from where they aimed it would be like claiming that the Mars Perseverance Rover failed to reach its destination because it didn't bullseye its target either. Nottheking (talk) 15:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support It's in the news and the article seems adequate. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:09, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support AltBlurb 3. We now have confirmation from RS that the mission is "dead," though it did achieve its destination of a "soft landing on the Moon." The exact landing location isn't as critical here: when it comes to landing on other bodies, successful missions still tend to land many km away from the targeted spot. Nottheking (talk) 13:16, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

  I thought the "destination" was the targeted destination, not in a crater hundreds of kilometres away. Is the "soft" landing on the Moon the first time it hit, or the second time when it impacted on it's side? Nfitz (talk) 21:36, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

  I mean, we had no problem with all the "2020" sporting events (such as the Tokyo Olympics) being held in the wrong year. And to answer your question, we have an article that defines "soft landing." The lander was undamaged, just that its position was incorrect for the function of some key components. (namely its solar panels, needed to keep power) Nottheking (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment — Just wanted to note here that I've updated the proposed blurbs to reflect the fact that "Athena" is actually the name of the lander. "IM-2" is the name of the mission that flew the lander. — AFC Vixen 🦊 01:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 3 as ITNR It reached its destination, which was the moon. Like it or not, the current ITNR criteria does not include additional conditions about how scientifically impactful the subsequent mission must be, nor about the relative accuracy of the landing. If folks disagree with this, we should take this as a sign that we need to narrow our space exploration criteria (something I might actually agree with, because I think we verge on being a space news ticker). However, this clearly meets the ITNR requirements as written. Flip^andFlopped ツ 23:07, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• IAR Oppose. Understanding the ITN/R principle at play, this is very much a dead-end story. The mission accomplished nothing past landing (not even doing that properly). There will be no scientific findings from the rover in the end. Not even the only Commercial Lunar Payload Services mission this month. What exactly is the value in running this story, independent of INT/R guidelines saying we do so? DarkSide830 (talk) 03:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

  The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest. Given it has very much been in the news, and has generated enough interest that even those who don't want attention to it on WP have heard of it, it would serve to direct users to a page that is rapidly being improved, (with multiple updates a day) particularly as the story of the probe's early end-of-mission continues to unfold and new analysis comes to light on numerous reliable sources. Or are you suggesting that the editors that are working on that page are wasting their time with a "dead-end story?" The same could be said of any of the other ITN/Rs that aren't in "ongoing;" they're posted once they're largely resolved. Nottheking (talk) 04:54, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 05:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

March 5

Portal:Current events/2025 March 5

March 5, 2025 (2025-03-5) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kryvyi Rih strikes A Russian missile strikes a hotel in Kryvyi Rih, Ukraine, killing four people and injuring seven others. (Reuters) United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine U.S. Central Intelligence Agency director John Ratcliffe announces that the United States has suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine. (Al Jazeera) Gaza war 2025 Gaza war ceasefire The United States begins direct negotiations with Hamas over the release of the remaining Israeli hostages. President of the United States Donald Trump later threatens on Truth Social and X that the people of Gaza "are dead" unless they return the hostages "immediately". (Sky News) (Al Jazeera) (NBC News) South Sudanese Civil War 2025 Nasir clashes Security forces in South Sudan arrest Puot Kang Chol, a senior member of the parliamentary opposition, minister of petroleum and mining, and army general, as well as multiple other opposition-aligned military officers. South Sudanese soldiers also surround vice president Riek Machar's house overnight before later withdrawing. (Reuters) (BBC News) Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus Russia's Federal Security Service says that it killed four Islamic State militants in Dagestan during a counterterrorism operation. (Reuters) Business and economy Second Trump tariffs 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico United States president Donald Trump announces a one-month temporary reprieve from tariffs for American automakers after receiving complaints from the Big Three: Ford, General Motors, and Stellantis. (NPR) 2025 United States federal mass layoffs The United States Department of Veteran Affairs announces it will lay off over 80,000 jobs to comply with the Trump administration's plans under the Department of Government Efficiency. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 Australian region cyclone season Tropical Cyclone Alfred Queensland Premier David Crisafulli announces the suspension of public transport services and the closure of 640 schools in South East Queensland, Australia, as Cyclone Alfred is expected to make landfall early Friday morning local time. (ABC News Australia) 2025 Chugach Mountains avalanche Three skiers are suspected to be killed after an avalanche trapped them under more than 30 feet of snow in the Chugach Mountains, Alaska, United States. (CTV News) (USA Today) One person is killed and sixteen others are injured when a bridge collapses on the E42 highway in La Louvière, Hainaut Province, Belgium. (Reuters) (RTBF) International relations Somalia–United States relations The U.S. Embassy in Mogadishu warns of imminent attack threats in Somalia, including at Aden Adde International Airport. Embassy personnel movements are suspended. (ABC News) Somali military officials confirm that the Trump administration has halted all funding for Somalia's Danab Brigade special forces and cut billions in USAID grants to the country. (Hiiraan Online) Russia–United States relations The United States Department of Defense denies previous media reports that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth had ordered a halt to offensive cyber operations and information operations against Russia by U.S. Cyber Command. (The Hill) Law and crime 2025 California wildfires January 2025 Southern California wildfires In the U.S., Los Angeles County files a lawsuit against Southern California Edison, the electric utility company servicing most of Southern California, and alleges that the company's power system started the Eaton Fire, seeking to recover costs and damages sustained from the fire that damaged over 9,400 buildings and killed 17 people. (AP) Mexican drug war Mexican law enforcement announces they have seized 275,000 pills of fentanyl stored in boxes of nopales in Sonora. A man is arrested in connection to the seizure. (AP) The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District Court of Vermont indicts and charges 25 Canadians for conspiracy to defraud elderly people in the United States out of US$21 million and charges five of those 25 with conspiracy to commit money laundering. (NPR)

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(needs attention) RD: Jean-Louis Pichon

Article: Jean-Louis Pichon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diapason
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French opera manager and director, reviving works by Jules Massenet who was also born in his hometown, creating a festival around them. He worked internationally. - The article was long and unsourced. There are still some bits missing, but the key information seems referenced. Help wanted. -- --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• The bits are commented out. If you can restore them with refs feel free. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support, article seems well-sourced, reasonable to run as an RD. CMD (talk) 07:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
• I moved him from 4 March (when he was found dead) to 5 March (when the first notice of it appeared on Wikipedia). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Edesio Alejandro

Article: Edesio Alejandro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Prensa Latina
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential Cuban band member (guitarist and singer) and composer across genres, 50+ film scores, Grammy nomination. The article is better sourced and longer than in the beginning. Problem I see: long list of films. I know that IMDb is not regarded reliable, but what is? Help wanted. If we find nothing we can split the list and leave only the sourced ones in the bio, still 20+ - some with articles of very different quality. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• All films are now referenced, - some documentaries were commented out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Turing Award

Articles: Andrew Barto (talk · history · tag) and Richard S. Sutton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Andrew Barto and Richard Sutton are awarded the 2024 Turing Award for their work on reinforcement learning. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mektronik (talk · give credit), Biografer (talk · give credit), Cholodovskis (talk · give credit) and Swoög (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Turing award. ITNR. Announced on this date. Ktin (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support as all linked articles seem to be in good shape(though I must admit I understood very little of the last one). Barto and Sutton's articles do need to be updated to reflect the award. –DMartin 05:38, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready. Although the two articles look decent at first glance, it turns out that neither says anything about Barto or Sutton's work. They cover education, academic appointments, and awards, but give no description of their research i.e. the reason why they won the award. There should be at least a paragraph (with multiple references) in each article describing the research they did. Modest Genius ^talk 15:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

  @Modest Genius: this has been completed. Please can you and / or others have a look. Ktin (talk) 05:31, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

  @Ktin: this was posted before I saw your ping, but yes they're much better now. There's a bit of duplications between the two, but it's good enough for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 11:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. Can anyone take a look at this nomination and the articles? These are ready to go to the mainpage IMO. Ktin (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support articles are good enough to be posted. For me are ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Checking if we have an admin around to take a look and post this one. Ktin (talk) 05:36, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:00, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
• @Ktin: Why is Biografer credited? They were blocked for socking five years ago. Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 09:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Aspirin and Cancer

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Aspirin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Aspirin has been found to reduce cancer metastasis (Post)
News source(s): BBC Gizmodo Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Study has been peer-reviewed, so no questions there. There is coverage in multiple sources for this potentially groundbreaking discovery. I have added a paragraph about this to the article, unsure if this is enough updating, so I have not added myself as an updater TNM101 (chat) 17:31, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose unless I'm missing something - seems like a breach of WP:MEDRS to me. Claims like this, that a particular drug is effective or not effective against particular diseases, should be cited to secondary review sources, whereas the above claim references an individual primary study. Putting up something that looks like medical information while the article clearly says "It was also said that taking self-medicating with aspirin should not be done yet" seems like a red flag to me.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:38, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
  • There is a peer reviewed Nature article associated here, [17], linked in BBC article (which is usually consistent in pointing to the published paper). This should not be taken as my sign of support, as this is a first step towards a cancer blocker. — Masem (t) 18:00, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
    • I think Amakuru's point is that the Nature paper is a primary source, not a secondary systematic review as required by WP:MEDRS (which has a whole section entitled 'avoid primary sources'). I think MEDRS is overly strict on that point, but it's still the guideline. Modest Genius ^talk 18:42, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

      Indeed, that was my point. I actually don't think MEDRS iS overly strict at all actually, given the stakes. As much as we put in big letters that Wikipedia is a crowd-sourced encyclopedia, and does not purport to be any sort of medical guide, it's still eminently possible that readers will see things in our articles relating to their own medical conditions and potentially act on what we write. With that in mind, it's vital that the information we present represents the prevailing medical consensus. Individual research, peer reviewed or not, very often doesn't represent the overarching prevailing science. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:47, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. The BBC story reports that a) this effect has been known about for a decade, the new discovery is just determining the mechanism; b) the experiments were all in animals, not humans; and c) clinical trials are only just starting. This isn't a cure for cancer. That's backed up by the cancer prevention section of our article. Modest Genius ^talk 17:41, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability. This is a big step in a long process of discovery, but the sourcing just doesn't back up that it is ITN-worthy (framing of the reporting by all 3 sources here only claims a improved understanding of an already known prevention mechanism) ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 18:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: this is not really that groundbreaking. We've known for a while that there is an association between aspirin and reduced incidence of CRC. Like Modest Genius said, this is just about the mechanism. Like most news about cancer, it's something interesting to keep an eye on but this does not change management.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:44, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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